For those of you who don't know me outside of DA, let me make a couple of things perfectly clear.
#2 ~ When you butt heads with Daphne - She WILL BUTT BACK. Now, on with the "Alfred Piss-Off Hour"
First off, for those of you who haven't noticed, I am one of the judges over at
IY-Excellence ~ While
I KNOW my art (in any way, shape or form) is in no way comparable to most of the other wonderful judges, I still have an eye for what is considered "excellence" and such. (Example, I have a good eye for seeing the good/bad of
OTHER peoples art, etc)
If a piece of art is denied for one reason or another there is usually something behind the reasoning. These reasons might include anything such as coloring, blurriness, signs of being traced, proportions, clothing issues, etc. If an artist asks what is wrong with their art, we will tell them so that they can
IMPROVE. You would think that
ASKING FOR A CRITIQUE WOULD MEAN TO TAKE WHAT'S SAID AND IMPROVE YOUR SKILLS OFF OF IT. TO LEARN HOW TO TAKE CRITIQUING COURTEOUSLY VISIT MY LAST JOURNAL ----> Courteous Critiquing Recently, we had an artist submit four (count them 4) of her works for submission at
IY-Excellence - And they are as followed....
Before anyone ask why I am directly linking to her art - It's because since she is apparently afraid to list me in her journal rant (Which we will get to later) I am going to be the bigger girl and just go all gung-hoe on this situation.#1 ~ Tenseiga Couldn't Save Her #2 ~ To The Healing Falls #3 ~ Let Me Touch Your Heart #4 ~ Her Cursed FateIf you haven't figured it out yet, the artist I am talking about is
SassyLilPanda ~ Just to be clear
IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR WHATEVER UNDER THE SUN AM I TRYING TO ATTACK ANYONE PERSONALLY ABOUT EITHER THEIR PRIVATE OR SOCIAL LIFE. I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO GET OUT MY/OUR SIDE OF THE STORY SINCE LITTLE MISS PANDA DECIDED TO REPORT BOTH MYSELF AND KrisCynical FOR SIMPLY TELLING HER WHAT SHE ASKED FOR.
Ding a ling there (you know who you are) decided to deem our critiquing as harassment.
To explain what I am talking about, let's rewind to two weeks ago ~ THAT'S RIGHT ~ TWO WEEKS AGO. SassyLilPanda submitted her art to us to look at and possibly accept into our group. (Since that's what us judges are for) Making a long story a bit shorter her artwork was denied and she asked why. One of our fellow judges (who I've deemed Judge #1 since I don't have her permission to drag her name into this) was the first to respond to her, saying that while we like the color and composition there were anatomy issues.
Would you like to know
SassyLilPanda 's response?
KEEP IN MIND SassyLilPanda ASKED WHY HER ART WAS DENIED
"Right.... whatever."That right there was a direct quote. So me, wanting to also explain why she was denied, replied with this.
"I agree with Judge #1, your coloring, backgrounds, and lines are fabulous but there are anatomy issues. As stated mostly heads and arms are out of proportion, (either to small, long, or rounded) but to me this also led to a bit of awkwardness with the poses due to the proportioning of certain body parts.
We mean no offense by it and we aren't trying to say that your work sucks, it's actually quite good. It's just that due to these issues we've decided, at this time, not to accept the works that you've submitted for approval.
~Daphne"
Want to know what I got back??
"Did I REALLY have to hear it from you as well? Back the fuck off."
Um....... What in the hell did I say to warrant being f-bombed??? So, I like to push a few buttons now and then, but I don't like having mine pushed, so I responded with this.
"I wasn't trying to be rude or mean about anything and I am sorry that you feel that way. The only thing I, actually both Judge #1 and I were trying to do was to give you some constructive criticism to possibly help you improve your future works.
Obviously you can't accept others opinions, either good or bad, and I am sorry to hear this. But I will say this. Did you REALLY have to f-bomb me after YOU ASKED why your art kept being rejected?? You asked. We answered. End of discussion."
This goes on and on for another few messages, mostly with SASSY going all "boo hoo, whoa is me and my messed up computer screen and you shouldn't make me feel bad because I like how I draw and it's my art style and I like round faces and I can't tell that arms are misproportioned and..."
YA KNOW WHAT!?!?! I quit responding after that because I just didn't want to get into it. I wished her the best of luck with her future works and figured I wouldn't have to deal with her again.
One of our other judges
KrisCynical finally got fed up with it, figured out that this person is
30 years old and responded with a posting of her own. This posting, in so many words, explained how she SHOULD take criticism, explained that all artist slaved over their works, defended us saying that at no time did no one say "that her style sucked" (because she came down on us about that too), and that nobody's art is perfect. Kris even went so far as to suggest an anatomy book to
HELP HER IMPROVE.At this point I was upset at some of the things discovered so I responded.
Quite honestly after reading KrisCynical 's posting I am in agreement. I also got to thinking. If you've got "such a terrible system/screen like you claim to have then how can you be pumping out this art?? If your computer is so much as you described - " the computer I'm doing art on isn't exactly modern day. The monitor I work on is very different with a different resolution setting. Stuff looks a bit awkward on it," then why don't you go OUT AND REPLACE IT or why didn't you GET A NEW ONE ON BLACK FRIDAY??? Because if you're so passionate about your work as you say then you should take PRIDE in having quality equipment to do quality work.
You complain about your work being critiqued, hell, even I critique myself after I've submitted something. You also say that the rounded head and arms are you're "style". I don't think you've found you're style yet. You draw your art almost EXACTLY as the style for the actual show. (Frankly, this one sassylilpanda.deviantart.com/a… looks like it's been traced from an episode) Only a couple of pieces I see in your gallery look like it could be deemed a "style" for you.
And you know what? I've spent hours slaving over projects too. Granted, haven't been drawing for near as long or hard as KrisCynical but I do have my own problems that I have to deal with drawing wise. While I haven't poured near as many hours into one art piece as of yet, I can tell you that my first piece (here daphneshaggydoo.deviantart.com… ) took me eight hours to complete and when I ASKED for thoughts about it I took them and used them to build my skills. They aren't nearly as good as KrisCynical or Judge #1 but this is because A) I've had no professional training and B) I don't have the time now to actually practice. BUT thanks to the critiquing AND suggestions from other artists I have IMPROVED to a point where I can pump something like this ---> daphneshaggydoo.deviantart.com… out. It's like KrisCynical said "nobody's work is perfect". I mean just look at how often my drawings change daphneshaggydoo.deviantart.com… - I DO THE EXACT SAME THING WITH MY FANFICTION AS WELL
Wanna know why I use my art an an example? To attempt to show YOU what the heck WE are trying to get ACROSS.
Do you understand now what I was TRYING to get across in my other messages???? I understand that you've "supposedly" got outdated equipment but so what?? Hell, my left hand doesn't work very well but do you see me using that as an excuse not to improve??? At least I have a legitimate excuse (aka WORK) that explains why I haven't had any major improvements yet.
One last thing. I really don't appreciate is you coming back on both Judge #1 and I with this whole"poor me and my equipment" crap. Guess what? I DON'T CARE. You're obviously old enough to have a JOB so why don't you take the damn money you make and use it to update your "outdated equipment". Better yet. Go take a fucking anatomy class or buy the book KrisCynical mentioned so that you can start to improve your art so that you will find your style and make advance your art to be able to submit to "Excellence" clubs.
Did any of you notice the specific piece I pointed out as possibly "traced"?? Except for Inuyasha's hands (which, again, are out of proportion) this piece looks like it's been completely traced from one of the episodes of "The Final Act" Keep in mind, this isn't an accusation, just pointing out something suspicious. After this comment I received this ~
Response
Will you PLEASE leave me the fuck alone now? And you really don't know shit about me or my life, so please stop running your fucking mouth and leave me alone.
Oh AND she credited us with being good artist even though I said she might have "traced" the one photo. Even went so far as to call me an "arrogant, wretched bitch (
here) I will admit that in real life I can be a bitch (if you piss me off enough) but I am in no way arrogant OR wretched.. I'll leave that you SASSY
I was even kind enough to critique my own work in that last comment, but did you see me tell myself to go "fuck off"??? Nope...
Now, I will admit that after this I did make a couple of smart ass remarks within the comments between myself and
KrisCynical - one of which was that I felt like going onto her page and typing out a 1,000 character fuck so she could have a "nice long fuck about this whole issue" since she kept telling the both of us to "fuck off".
NOT ONCE DID I EVER GO DO THIS ON HER PAGE - This is mostly because I tend to spout shit that never actually ends up happening. But hey... WHAT THE HELL ~ Let's just not have the balls to point fingers with who said what when and blame it all on Kris ~ As she did in this set of
comments. AND blame even
MORE stuff on Kris that I said in
this set of comments.
Know the best part??? I guess she didn't want anyone to see those comments so now she's hidden them.
Oh and did I mention what these comments are too?? They're to a journal that SASSY apparently didn't have the backbone to write until
TWO WEEKS AFTER THE INITIAL INCIDENT. Seriously? If you were that MAD about it and PISSED OFF at us then you SHOULD HAVE WROTE THE DAMN THING LIKE A DAY OR TWO AFTER IT HAPPENED.
What makes it even worse if the fact that she blames everything that was said on
KrisCynical ~ none of it on me. I feel like if we both made you so upset then we should share the blame.
WANT TO READ HER JOURNAL ~ Go Here ---> sassylilpanda.deviantart.com/j…What is even
BETTER is that
KrisCynical came up with the
BRILLIANTLY WORDED journal in response to this outburst.
See that MARVELOUS JOURNAL HERE ~ ---> kriscynical.deviantart.com/jou…Once again in
NO WAY AM I ATTACKING ANYONE'S PERSONAL, PRIVATE, OR SOCIAL LIFE. I AM SIMPLY STATING THE FACTS AND NOTHING BUT THE FACTS.Oh, and Sassy... remember that part where I said I just wanted to give you a big long 1,000 character fuck????
HERE IT IS!!!!! ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Exactly 250 characters per letter.... JUST FOR YOU ad guess what?? IT'S NOT EVEN ON YOUR PAGE
As a reminder - these are my own thoughts, no attacks, no cyber bullying, nothing. Just wanting to get the truth out because "The Truth Will Set You Free"
Now... to find Kevin.. You know Kevin right?? The guy with a fork stabbed into his arm?? Yeah, the one I put there? He's coming to get you....